Thursday, June 29, 2006

Fetzer Bites on Barbara Olson Story

As noted below, Fetzer was definitely trying to avoid the topic of the passengers and what happened to them; so desperately that when the topic of Fox News Commentator Barbara Olsen came up, he jumped on it (about 10:30):

Colmes: Wasn’t Barbara Olson on one of the planes? The one that hit at—

Fetzer: Great, let’s talk about Barbara Olson, we have discovered that those cellphone calls would have been physically impossible at speeds—at altitudes above 2000 feet and speeds above 230. AK Dewadney (sic), who’s a professor of computer science from Western Ontario has discovered that it becomes less and less possible to make those connections at the altitudes and speeds of these planes they would not have been possible. Now, Barbara Olson, according to her husband, called him, but he has given three different versions of her call, and get this, Alan, her name is not listed on the Social Security death index. If she’s dead her name ought to be listed there. It’s not.

Colmes: Are you suggesting Barbara Olson’s not dead?

Fetzer: There have been reports, that I haven’t been able to verify, that she was arrested in Europe, her husband is now retired and he has moved to Europe. You figure it out.

Colmes: Ted Olson’s living in Europe?

Fetzer: That’s what I understand. And Ted Olson’s an interesting guy, you know, even though he was the Solicitor General, he observed that—this is probably his most famous quote—that he could imagine infinitely many reasons why the American government might lie to the American people. That’s a lot of reasons, Alan.

Colmes: So you’re suggesting that Ted Olson and his wife are together, living in Europe?

Fetzer: That would be my best guess, Alan. I can’t claim to know that, but it makes sense with what we do know.


This is sheer, unadulterated nuttiness. First, on the Social Security Death Index, there are several reasons why somebody might not appear:

* The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA).
* The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present.
* The person did not participate in the Social Security program.
* Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse.
* A recent death may not be indexed yet.
* Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled "Missing Entries in the SSDI.")


Did Olson have any minor children? They might be receiving survivor benefits. And anyway, why do CTers latch onto lists like this? If you'll notice, this is similar to the claims that the planes couldn't have been destroyed, because their tail numbers were still on an NTSB list. Do they really believe that the conspirators would put together this vast plot, but forget to retire the tail numbers, or add somebody to the Social Security Death Index? The answer, as best I can tell, is that it buys them another moment or two of having somebody listen to their stupidity.

As for Barbara Olson's arrest in Europe, here's the "report" that Fetzer is referring to. The "story" was broken by Tom Flocco, who's one of the nuttiest of the nutbars. His original version of the story had Olson being arrested at the Austrian-Polish border; that was changed to the German-Polish border when it was pointed out that Austria and Poland aren't contiguous.

Flocco is a fruitcake who has broken other "scoops" before, like:

Bush, Cheney and Blair indicted!

Katherine Harris dead!

Update: Commenter Manny was kind enough to point us to this article on Ted Olson from Mid-May:

A former U.S. solicitor general will help Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel appeal his murder conviction to the U.S. Supreme Court, saying Monday the case will focus on when the charges were filed.

Theodore B. Olson has argued 43 cases before the nation's highest court, including representing George W. Bush in the disputed presidential race of 2000.

15 Comments:

At 29 June, 2006 07:34, Blogger Chad said...

Undisputable truth indeed....

These guys do half our work for us. I love it.

 
At 29 June, 2006 08:44, Blogger Manny said...

Also been lurking and reading for a while. Lest there be any doubt whatsoever, Ted Olson lives in the United States and will be arguing in front of the Supreme Court this term. (Working for the Kennedys. Heh.)

 
At 29 June, 2006 10:45, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

"Not on the Social Security Death index?"

The ssdi is a list of those people who have STOPPED COLLECTING THEIR SS CHECK - based on the address their LAST check was sent to.

If you die young, violently, or still collecting a paycheck, and are not receiving a ss check, guess what? They don't have the infomation.


But like hey, man, I was sure the govenment informers were keeping track of everything. Let me take this up with my man Jason, 'cause like he's a research guy, and like I want him to read down to the bottom of the page some time. . .

 
At 29 June, 2006 11:24, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Ted and Barbara Olsen are quite obviously in hiding with Elvis, Jim Morrison, and Ghandi.

Its a proven fact that is far beyond dispute.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:43, Blogger shawn said...

Have you read Steven Jones' paper?

Do you just click on random posts? We've discussed it at length.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:58, Blogger James B. said...

You forgot to bring up the counterfeit Lira she was caught with.

 
At 29 June, 2006 14:36, Blogger Manny said...

Lira? In 2005? Like, Italian Lira, which ceased to exist in March of 2002, or some other country's lira? In 2005, counterfeit lira would be worth more than real lira.

 
At 29 June, 2006 15:51, Blogger James B. said...

From the article:

The alleged 9.11 Pentagon crash victim was found to be in possession of millions in fake InterBank Italian lira currency, according to the agents.


Also there is no explanation why French and American intelligence agents are arresting people on the German-Polish border. Or the German-Austrian border for that matter.

 
At 29 June, 2006 15:52, Blogger James B. said...

Err... Polish-Austrian border. Now these idiots are confusing me.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:09, Blogger shawn said...

As was every major scientific discovery since gravity.

hahah you're gonna equate cold fusion with the astronomy of Galileo? Cold fusion is a future possibility, but at our present level of technology it's impossible.

How many members and contributors to the 9/11 Commission are atheists? Or is it more lloney to believe Jesus came to America than to believe he's coming back to America sometime soon.

Only evangelicals believe in the Second Coming, and they're a minority of Christians in this nation. and what does it matter how many are atheists? I'm an atheist, that doesn't change anything.

the beauty of science is that it stands on its own merit.

Yeah, like how science supports everything the "official" story says.

Did you notice that in his paper he includes pictures of concrete and rebar as "melted steel"? That'a real scientific.

I know it's paradoxical but I don't want any engineers on my side. The dozens I've known have no capacity for critical thinking whatsoever.

You're not exactly one to judge anyone else on their critical thinking skills. It's ridiculous that you don't even think hmmm there's something seriously wrong with our hypothesis if not one expert in the field agrees with us.

 
At 01 July, 2006 20:21, Blogger shawn said...

Thanks, Rush!

Roger, why is it when someone points out your illogical thought processes you can only respond with ad hominem?

 
At 07 December, 2006 15:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point made about how prior analyses of the WTC's were 'curve fit' to produce the desired result (collapse) is certainly how NIST approached this subject. Their initial simulations could not trigger a collapse event, so they simply pushed the parameters (e.g. assumed) higher heat until, voila, the simulation resulted in failure.

One big problem with this approach is that jet fuel and the standard contents of buildings (desks, carpet, chairs, paper, etc.), don't burn at sufficiently high enough temperatures in an open compartment fire (the WTC's with many of the windows blow out in the areas where the most intense fires were present.

NIST's next failure was one of omission. Their analyses stopped at the initiation (precise moment) of simulated collapse. They DID NOT simulate or bother to attempt to explain how the towers fell in the manner they did AFTER the moment of collapse.

Seems like a pretty huge omission, particularly when one considers that their primary purpose was building safety issues.

In particular, they offer no explanation whatsoever for how the core structure - below the point of impact - could suffer massive catastrophic failure such that the towers fell in only slightly more time than it would take for a golf ball to fall to the ground from the same height.

Finally, there have been almost a dozen well-document reports from highly reliable sources of melted steel found in the basements of the WTC7, 1 and 2. The pile was satellite imaged to have a surface temp of 2,000 F several days after the collapse after the pile had been sprayed with water and fire retardents. Temps on the day of collapse (and further down in the pile) would have been much higher. Again, NIST doesn't bother to explain how documented temps significantly greater than 2,000 F could have been present. Note, the gas supplies in the area of the WTC's had been shut off so this can't be the source of this amount of heat.

NIST's simulations of interior heat temps prior to collapse could document temps only in the range of about 600-700 farenheit (going on recollection here).

So, we've got curve-fit computer simulations that supposedly 'prove' how collapse initiation occurred.

We've got simulations of maximum interior temps that are 1,400 degrees LESS than were documented by satellite sensing to have been present at the surface of the pile days after collapse.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that NIST fails altoghether to explain how large structural steel elements had literally dissolved through documented eutectic reactions which showed the presence of sulphur in quantities necessary to dissolve the steel. The researchers (WPI, as I recall)who documented this called it the greatest mystery of the collapse of the WTC's and called for NIST to examine this. Of course NIST failed to do so whatsoever.

 
At 07 December, 2006 15:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point made about how prior analyses of the WTC's were 'curve fit' to produce the desired result (collapse) is certainly how NIST approached this subject. Their initial simulations could not trigger a collapse event, so they simply pushed the parameters (e.g. assumed) higher heat until, voila, the simulation resulted in failure.

One big problem with this approach is that jet fuel and the standard contents of buildings (desks, carpet, chairs, paper, etc.), don't burn at sufficiently high enough temperatures in an open compartment fire (the WTC's with many of the windows blow out in the areas where the most intense fires were present.

NIST's next failure was one of omission. Their analyses stopped at the initiation (precise moment) of simulated collapse. They DID NOT simulate or bother to attempt to explain how the towers fell in the manner they did AFTER the moment of collapse.

Seems like a pretty huge omission, particularly when one considers that their primary purpose was building safety issues.

In particular, they offer no explanation whatsoever for how the core structure - below the point of impact - could suffer massive catastrophic failure such that the towers fell in only slightly more time than it would take for a golf ball to fall to the ground from the same height.

Finally, there have been almost a dozen well-document reports from highly reliable sources of melted steel found in the basements of the WTC7, 1 and 2. The pile was satellite imaged to have a surface temp of 2,000 F several days after the collapse after the pile had been sprayed with water and fire retardents. Temps on the day of collapse (and further down in the pile) would have been much higher. Again, NIST doesn't bother to explain how documented temps significantly greater than 2,000 F could have been present. Note, the gas supplies in the area of the WTC's had been shut off so this can't be the source of this amount of heat.

NIST's simulations of interior heat temps prior to collapse could document temps only in the range of about 600-700 farenheit (going on recollection here).

So, we've got curve-fit computer simulations that supposedly 'prove' how collapse initiation occurred.

We've got simulations of maximum interior temps that are 1,400 degrees LESS than were documented by satellite sensing to have been present at the surface of the pile days after collapse.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that NIST fails altoghether to explain how large structural steel elements had literally dissolved through documented eutectic reactions which showed the presence of sulphur in quantities necessary to dissolve the steel. The researchers (WPI, as I recall)who documented this called it the greatest mystery of the collapse of the WTC's and called for NIST to examine this. Of course NIST failed to do so whatsoever.

 
At 07 December, 2006 19:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

on edit, this part of my previous comment:

One big problem with this approach is that jet fuel and the standard contents of buildings (desks, carpet, chairs, paper, etc.), don't burn at sufficiently high enough temperatures in an open or partially open compartment fire (the WTC's were a partially open compartment fire where many of the windows were blown out in the areas of impact where the most intense fires would have been present) to cause structural steel members (designed at a safety factor of 2 -3 to lose their load bearing capacity.

sorry for the omissions.

 
At 24 December, 2006 02:06, Blogger Paulie said...

Nist report is a joke what it can't answer it ignores.
Wake up.......explosives were used they (?) planted military grade explosives during power downs at the WTC's It matters not who flew the planes. What matters is the Government knew and did nothing to stop it.
Proof of this is evidant in many of the witness statements, not of the planes crashing but of what was being done and said within the Government and the resulting benfactors of this event are laughing all the way to the bank.
Thank god life is short as these people will soon be the richest in the graveyards.

 

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